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1 year 11 months ago #120963
by microbuddha
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Following the creation of new "GPT's" through some reddit forums... Don't want to be a paid subscriber yet... the clunky free GPT works well enough for right now.
Oh yeah, back to the AI in the medical office. ( patient rooms ). A little back story... EMR ( electronic medical records ) were touted as time-savin wonder that was going to allow Drs. and PA's to have increased efficiency. Now we would be able to document a patients encounter with a few clicks of a mouse....and we would be able to save money by reducing staff! Paper charts were inefficient the sales people said!!. Move into the future! I trained on on a clunky first gen. EMR in 2004. My doctor was so proud of her investment, inviting all her doctor friends over to the office to see her forward thinking. It was a piece of garbage! Paper charting was soooo much faster. Fast forward a few years... second gen...still garbage. Too much time to document, zero flexibility, endless scrolling, clicking. And I had to do it all. Five years ago, we got the latest generation " state of the art ", but this time a whole new classification of medical workers has been created... the scribe. Now we will be freed up from any tapping, bopping, scrolling... but somebody else will do it! And we will add more staff now, so instead of two workers per Dr./PA. we now need three... and still inefficiencies because, well, this staff needs to be trained...and when just get trained well enough... they leave. Because well, there is turnover when companies don't want to pay staff well enough..
So back to the present. This EMR company is all in with AI. They are planning to record 1,000,000 patient encounters over the next 6 months to build their model. I will be able to hit a button, record the conversation and it will potentially auto populate the entire patient record, order labs, and send prescriptions with a simple ok. from me. But first, we have to fill out paperwork... liability release paperwork from every person in the room. I am going to nope out on the training data acquisition as much as I would like to help build the model. We simply don't have the time to explain all this to our elderly folks and try to convince them that this will be a good thing in their best interest. And most of my patients are older and very, very conservative. Skeptical and untrusting of " new fangled stuff like smart phones "
Who is listening to me? Is this Joe Biden's idea? Are you going to microchip me while you are at it too? ...
Oh yeah, back to the AI in the medical office. ( patient rooms ). A little back story... EMR ( electronic medical records ) were touted as time-savin wonder that was going to allow Drs. and PA's to have increased efficiency. Now we would be able to document a patients encounter with a few clicks of a mouse....and we would be able to save money by reducing staff! Paper charts were inefficient the sales people said!!. Move into the future! I trained on on a clunky first gen. EMR in 2004. My doctor was so proud of her investment, inviting all her doctor friends over to the office to see her forward thinking. It was a piece of garbage! Paper charting was soooo much faster. Fast forward a few years... second gen...still garbage. Too much time to document, zero flexibility, endless scrolling, clicking. And I had to do it all. Five years ago, we got the latest generation " state of the art ", but this time a whole new classification of medical workers has been created... the scribe. Now we will be freed up from any tapping, bopping, scrolling... but somebody else will do it! And we will add more staff now, so instead of two workers per Dr./PA. we now need three... and still inefficiencies because, well, this staff needs to be trained...and when just get trained well enough... they leave. Because well, there is turnover when companies don't want to pay staff well enough..
So back to the present. This EMR company is all in with AI. They are planning to record 1,000,000 patient encounters over the next 6 months to build their model. I will be able to hit a button, record the conversation and it will potentially auto populate the entire patient record, order labs, and send prescriptions with a simple ok. from me. But first, we have to fill out paperwork... liability release paperwork from every person in the room. I am going to nope out on the training data acquisition as much as I would like to help build the model. We simply don't have the time to explain all this to our elderly folks and try to convince them that this will be a good thing in their best interest. And most of my patients are older and very, very conservative. Skeptical and untrusting of " new fangled stuff like smart phones "
Who is listening to me? Is this Joe Biden's idea? Are you going to microchip me while you are at it too? ...
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1 year 11 months ago #120964
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Are any of these people hallucinations?
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1 year 10 months ago #120967
by Chris Marti
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That can be done right now. Today. Try to keep up, manProbably in a year or so, you indeed will be able to have him reading it in his voice...

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1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #120968
by Chris Marti
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What people? The therapists referred to by the AI? If so then no, they're real. I checked - they all have extensive public records and practices that are documented. They're the results of Bing search the AI did in real-time in answer to my question. And of course, the Buddhism teachers are real - we know them to exist, pre-LLM AI.Are any of these people hallucinations?
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1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #120969
by Chris Marti
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IMS has released a documentary on the founding of the Insight Meditation Society called...
Inside Insight, The Founding Story
<Props to Har-Prakash Khalsa>
Inside Insight, The Founding Story
<Props to Har-Prakash Khalsa>
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1 year 10 months ago #120970
by Shargrol
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I was doing some Bing AI searches yesterday, using plain language to search for sources of information on midwest winter camping, gear lists, locations, etc... While the plain language interface is nice, I was struck by the fact that the output was basically the same info as a keyword search, but slower and a shorter list. Normally the "good stuff" is the third page of a keyword search where the esoteric stuff starts showing up.
Ulimately, I feel like the plain language interface slows me down. I would rather have 250 links given to me and then use my own intelligence to skim and locate what I'm looking for.
That's my experience as a very late adopter... I'm sure it will evolve.
And, for the record, I for one welcome our new AI overlords.
Ulimately, I feel like the plain language interface slows me down. I would rather have 250 links given to me and then use my own intelligence to skim and locate what I'm looking for.
That's my experience as a very late adopter... I'm sure it will evolve.
And, for the record, I for one welcome our new AI overlords.

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1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #120971
by Chris Marti
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Yes, I wholeheartedly agree - if you're searching for a simple answer like a list of locations, then Bing or Google is the way to go, especially if you want to review the results yourself. AI can manipulate the information far better than a search engine but that requires dedicated effort and prompting skills. It's not fast the first time you create and then use it.
I'm learning this huge lesson by doing what I'm doing on OpenAI and a few other platforms - AI is more fun to make than it is to use. I think this explains a lot of the enthusiasm surrounding AI and a lot of the disappointment, too.
But... there are very clearly valuable use cases for AI, so I keep pecking away.
I'm learning this huge lesson by doing what I'm doing on OpenAI and a few other platforms - AI is more fun to make than it is to use. I think this explains a lot of the enthusiasm surrounding AI and a lot of the disappointment, too.
But... there are very clearly valuable use cases for AI, so I keep pecking away.
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1 year 10 months ago #120975
by microbuddha
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yeah, the therapists. Good for Bing.
1 year 10 months ago #120985
by Benjie OK
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Thanks to this, I just had a long "conversation" with AI Rob Burbea. I had to laugh at how many of the answers included some variation of "It depends", and then it would proceed to say how it might or might not help, and how you really have to get in there and see "what feels supportive". Very Rob Burbeaish answers!
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1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #120986
by Chris Marti
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If AI Rob Burbea was trained using Rob Burbea's written and spoken material then it can't help but sound like him

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1 year 10 months ago #120988
by Tom Otvos
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Finally catching up on AN and this is fascinating stuff, Chris. I have not played with the custom GPTs yet on OpenAI, but if you can feed it MCTB2, can you not feed it AN (and with it, KFD)? Or /r/streamentry?
This could be super powerful, and I am glad you took this on.
This could be super powerful, and I am glad you took this on.
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1 year 10 months ago #120990
by Papa-Dusko
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I think Chris will break the dharma with his AI skills!
Oh no! The dhamma first gets watered down by the west and now stripped down to its 1’s and 0’s !!!
What’s next? My personal AI Jesus! Or my personal AI Buddha? Ha!
p.s. just kidding!


Oh no! The dhamma first gets watered down by the west and now stripped down to its 1’s and 0’s !!!
What’s next? My personal AI Jesus! Or my personal AI Buddha? Ha!

p.s. just kidding!
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1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #120993
by Chris Marti
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Hi, Tom.
Yes, we can feed AN, KFD, etc. to a ChatGPT. Let's talk about how to do that. I've been thinking about this and have some ideas. It would involve only public comments.
Yes, we can feed AN, KFD, etc. to a ChatGPT. Let's talk about how to do that. I've been thinking about this and have some ideas. It would involve only public comments.
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1 year 10 months ago #120995
by Chris Marti
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<<Tom moved this segment from my personal topic to this new one.>>
The custom AI I've been working on has the following in its knowledge:
It's easy to add saved text content. I don't know if OpenAI has a size limit on the knowledge subscribers can add but it might be fun to find out. What other public-domain Buddhism information can I add? Open to suggestions to help make this an all-around expert system.
I do worry about ChatGPT bleeding information so before any of this goes public in the ChatGPT store they'll have to fix that.
The custom AI I've been working on has the following in its knowledge:
- MCTB2
- My personal meditation log
- Shargrol's DhO dialog as curated by the DhO member "Pepe"
- The Visudhimagga
- The message board discussions on the DhO, although I have to force the AI to parse this website for each use for some reason
It's easy to add saved text content. I don't know if OpenAI has a size limit on the knowledge subscribers can add but it might be fun to find out. What other public-domain Buddhism information can I add? Open to suggestions to help make this an all-around expert system.
I do worry about ChatGPT bleeding information so before any of this goes public in the ChatGPT store they'll have to fix that.
1 year 10 months ago #120996
by Tom Otvos
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I think what to put into it can be influenced by what we want to get out of it. Is this intended to be a Pragmatic Dharma AI, or a Buddhist AI?
Should the various discourses be used as input?
Should the various discourses be used as input?
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1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #120997
by Chris Marti
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Good questions!
The GPT I've worked on started as a purely MCTB2-centric entity. Then, to experiment with it, I added the other knowledge (my log, shargrol, etc.). The purpose was to figure it out and play around with it; How did adding new knowledge change its responses? How easy or hard is it to add/remove knowledge sources? What's the file format to use when adding sources, and does it matter? Stuff like that.
The GPT I've worked on started as a purely MCTB2-centric entity. Then, to experiment with it, I added the other knowledge (my log, shargrol, etc.). The purpose was to figure it out and play around with it; How did adding new knowledge change its responses? How easy or hard is it to add/remove knowledge sources? What's the file format to use when adding sources, and does it matter? Stuff like that.
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1 year 9 months ago #121013
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I just had another dialog with my custom ChatGPT - it's posted on DhO:
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/view_message/26372609#_com_liferay_message_boards_web_portlet_MBPortlet_message_26377838
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/view_message/26372609#_com_liferay_message_boards_web_portlet_MBPortlet_message_26377838
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1 year 9 months ago #121015
by Papa-Dusko
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So …
I could make me a Personal Jesus?


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1 year 9 months ago #121016
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I do believe the New Testament is in the public domain, so... sure. Just do it!
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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #121174
by Chris Marti
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I'm testing something - can anyone access this URL?
An MCTB2 AI
Assuming you can access the URL, when you click on the link that says "Open" what happens?
An MCTB2 AI
Assuming you can access the URL, when you click on the link that says "Open" what happens?
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1 year 8 months ago #121175
by smiling stone
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Hey Chris,
It works. I'm asked to create a free account for Mindstudio (which I did not)...
It works. I'm asked to create a free account for Mindstudio (which I did not)...
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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #121177
by Chris Marti
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Thanks!
If you create a free account you will be able to access and use the MCTB2 AI I created a while back.
If you create a free account you will be able to access and use the MCTB2 AI I created a while back.
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1 year 7 months ago #121180
by Papa-Dusko
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When I press on that link it asks me to choose if to open with email or Google or Apple ID and to click a little “agree” box. Then it opens a new page where I must sign in somehow. I didn’t sign in. I hoped it could open without any signing in. But I’m in Denmark so … might be different rules about AI not sure.
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1 year 7 months ago #121181
by Chris Marti
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Yeah, that's crappy. I hate it. The problem is, to eliminate that stuff, I'd have to pay MindStudio every month for the right to link directly to AIs I create. I paid OpenAI for a while to take advantage of their AI authoring tools, but they also want additional fees to allow direct access. Then, I seriously started to dislike OpenAI because of their not-for-profit scam. So, I unsubscribed and moved over to MindStudio.
The more I play around with this stuff, the more I think it's not ready for prime time. The tools are evolving very fast, but the business models suck.
The more I play around with this stuff, the more I think it's not ready for prime time. The tools are evolving very fast, but the business models suck.
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1 year 7 months ago #121183
by Chris Marti
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AI (ChatGPT, actually) are human-like in one respect - they, too, go crazy sometimes:
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/chatgpt-status-reddit-down-gibberish-messages-latest-b2499816.html
This started happening yesterday afternoon. No one knows why it's happening.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/chatgpt-status-reddit-down-gibberish-messages-latest-b2499816.html
This started happening yesterday afternoon. No one knows why it's happening.